The Associated Worlds

This is where spoilers go for anything that's been released recently (not mine, that is, as spoilers for that are inevitable), so as to keep them out of the other channels. (edited)

Overmind 12/17/2017 3:33 PM

goes checking the Blog immidiently

Where are we drawing the line of "recently" at?

Sorry - not spoilers for my stuff. Spoilers for everyone else's.

Ah

Enh, use own judgment. If that fails, then I'll worry about firming it up.

15:39

So anyway. A post - The Last Jedi thought: I see the First Order has doubled down on the Empire's primary weakness: the overwhelming need to posture. Not that I'm dissing the whole Poe-trolls-Hux-over-the-comms scene, because that was hilarious. But seriously, Hux. You're going to kill them all. You're offering no mercy. So why are you taking their calls? Caliéne Sargas would have been polishing her brightwork with the ashes of their dreams before you got done introducing yourself.

For personal bemusement/compensation? I mean, Hux is pretty young for a supreme Admiral/General. Something like 30-ish years.

15:45

And he also seems to have a problem with affariming/solidifying his position and authority.

The sudden jump in power of the Force bugged me more. It felt like they wrote themselves into a couple of corners and tried to Deus ex Machina their way out

Snoke gets killed in a really wimpy way

Who cares? The dude has no backstory anyway. He felt like Palpatine with a new name and the galaxy's shittiest face lift

Yeah

15:48

Overall, Snoke feels like an... anomaly

At least the guards put up a cool fight after he died.

yeah

15:48

Palpatine had no backstory before the prequels

That was before the Stars Wars Expanded Universe however

15:50

Frickin' Inferno Squad from Star Wars Battlefront 2 got more backstory through "Inferno Squad" than Snoke

who is he? where did he come from? what did he want?

Yes, but that matters for Palpatine less given the fact that he was the Original evil emperor for Star Wars, so the empire's background from the opening crawls served as his. If Snoke had been original as well it would feel less annoying, but as it is it just feels like he's supposed to be palpatine with the serial numbers filed off. (edited)

That strikes me as a general issue with the new Triology however

15:52

Sure, they subvert and change things, but ultimately it still feels like "Let's reboot the old triology!"

You mean the remake of episode 4 and the mixtape remix of episodes 5+6?

15:53

The dude who climbed out of the trench on the salt flat is the same dude who did it on Hoth in episode 5, or so I've heard

"We'll feature a new death star, a mysterious black enforcer, a supreme leader who appears by hologram, and a left-behind orphan child on a desert planet just getting by before discovering they are force-sensitive"

And is rescued by the Millenium Falcon

15:54

alongside a mysterious messenger who carries the secrets to destroying the super weapon

Also, fihjter strike on the not!death star while the Resistance base is at risk!

Trench run! And the orphan and enforcer have some sort of strange link(half of the time I was watching episode VIII I thought they'd turn out to be siblings)

where was the ~~french~~trench run?

At the end. Poe makes a trench run on the Not!Exhaust port

When they blew up the shield generator in episode VII. It's shorter, but it's there

Nah, it's a....

15:56

Thermal Oscillator

15:56

Whatever that is

15:57

The shield generator they deactivate by holding Phasma at gun point (admittely, we know she's a Merc who will put her own survival obver anything else and does not really owe loalty to the first order, but ti still felt meh.)

Also, Fake Leia in episode VIII annoyed me the whole time she was on screen. I was so hoping they'd kill her off between movies so we wouldn't have to deal with the weirdness of not-Carrie-Fisher

16:01

The new female admiral supporting character (I forget her name), feels like she was meant to hold Leia's role while they were decided whether to keep her in or not

Why did they keep Leia alive anyway? Digital Actor reconstruction is a real hit-and-miss, and Carry Fisher is dead. You can still put actors on a bus. I mean, they were ready and able to kill Luke, but they could not touch Leia?!

Because they wrote themselves in a corner with the force telepathy stuff. And that reminds me, they finally justified everyone’s favorite fictional spaceship gripe: DON’T PUT THE FRAKKING BRIDGE ON TOP OF THE OUTER HULL!

Oh frack yes

16:10

And then they introduced the FTLKV and another plot hole for all generations to come

16:10

Freeflight FTL really is no fun

Yeah. I’d make an “it’s a trap!” Joke, but I️ feel bad doing it for the scene he died in. The FTLKV attack is an absolutely beautiful scene, but it makes such a huge plot chasm that every single movie after this one will get a “why don’t they just FTLKV it?”argument. (edited)

Mass Effect at least had the FTL Plotter argument, paper-thin as it was... But yeah, beatifull it did look

That’s episode VIII in a nutshell, really. A meh plot with a ton of unnecessary holes that is never the less beautifully shot and scored

So... 90% of all Science Fiction movies?

Basically. Too bad this one is part of a franchise so I️ just opened gaping holes in the Disney Star Wars canon. At least the “Legends” (that’s what they call the old EU IIRC) canon does have to deal with that

Well, I have to hit bed now! See you all!

Stupid time difference. See you in the morning then

thirding the "FTL KKV is amazing, but by rights the fact it's possible at all should completely refine the nature of space combat in Star Wars"

18:25

we see a Cruiser trade for a Super Dreadnaught

For an entire fleet

also Star Wars fleets pack their formations way to close together

Why they don’t carry FTLKV missiles? Because they aren’t WWII IN SPACE!

like how those bombing corvetts cross-detonated in the opening force

18:26

heck, even just rig up their X-Wings to do the job, put a droid in it

I️ keep forgetting x-wings have FTL. It’s just so weird

that's probably even right around the sweet spot for a Star Wars FTL missile in size

18:27

the FTL KKV world is a battle space where small ships are king

Yeah, but Star Wars is defined by visuals not logic. They want big set piece battles with space battleships, so they have them.

Then they fail to realize that WWII Battleships had enough flak to make attacking them a risky proposition, and essentialy always make fighters or corvettes win/turn a battle

I'd take a step backwards on Marcus' Theory - they want big set-piece battles with massive ships, and called them battleships because that's what you call as massive ship.

22:57

It's Doylian all the way down.

I mean, Star Destroyers were apparently also called „Star Dreadnoughts“ but... like, I have not seen one proper capital ship battle in Star Wars

23:01

Where they are like voleying and circling around each other and then just shoot the crap out of each other eventually.

23:01

And I am not talking about the Drive-by Broadside in Episode 3.

Boring, non-heroic. Protagonists, mysticism, destiny, etc don't matter much.

You are getting your Star Wars Storytelling on my capital ships actually duking it out. (edited)

Go read a novel.

23:12

(edited)

But I already read them all!